Posts by Moses Joe

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Numbers 5:11-31. How does the society make application of this ridiculous scripture?

by stuckinarut2 in

if you haven't read it yet, please do so.

numbers 5:11-31. this is a scripture that is as stupid as the "medieval witch trials"!.

it is also so degrading to women, and shows how the bible views them as mere property that can be treated as just possessions.. i would love to see how the wt tries to use this passage and make a modern day twist (as they try to do with so many other passages!).

Moses Joe

Again, you are an instance of someone taking the scripture out of context - the context being the entire rest of the bible.

First of all, would you rather be humiliated or die?

Second of all, this was in regards to a woman being unfaithful to her husband - she was an oath breaker and a lyer.

Third, people complaining about the Bible being so anti-woman only do it because they take this one scripture or others like it and fly of the handle with it. You don't bother to consider the way the Bible directs men to love their wives as their own bodies, or to treat them as though they were a valuable, fragile thing (tenderly). You don't consider the examle of Hosea and his wife, or the fact that the Israelites are recorded as doing something "detestable" to god in leaving their wives for younger women and writing certificates of divorce left and right.

No, the bible is not harsh or insensative toward woman at all. There were punishments for women AND men for comitting adultery and the punishment was, in fact, the same, "“In case a man is found lying down with a woman owned by an owner, both of them must then die together.” The scripture that you are trying to use as a point of proof that women are so poorly viewed by the bible is in fact a law that existed for her PROTECTION, because a jealous husband could claim she sinned against him - but rather than her being killed along with the man he accused this action was performed. This scripture just saved that womans life.

Further, it wasn't even a humilation. NOBODY KNEW ABOUT IT UNLESS THE SUPPOSED CURSE TOOK HOLD. How would they know to treat her any differently otherwise? The only possible way anyone would know about this test, which was carried out in private between the man, wife, and priest, was if one of them blabbed it all over town.

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Biblical Prohecies That Came True?

by Viviane in

recently there have been several claims made regarding prophecies that came true.

i've not personally seen a prophecy that i would consider as having come true.

i would consider the following as the requirements to say something is a prophecy and evaluate whether or not it came true:.

Moses Joe

Bible prophecies that came true are abundant. The prophecy about Babylons fall in one night, and the name of the person who would lead the charge to fell it - Cyrus. The prophecy of Cyrus has been verified as having been written long before his birth as well. You could argue that the name Cyrus was only used AFTER his taking down Babylon - but even that wouldn't change the means of Babylons defeat being prophesied and actually succeeding. To imagine that the Babylons of the time weren't aware of the prophecy is foolish, so even with knowledge of the prophecy against them they still were brought down by it.

The prophecies about Jesus were all fullfilled by his own chosen actions, true. But the sheer number of them make it improbable that he'd be able to do it, let alone the fact that free will was always a variable - what if they actually acceptd Jesus and didn't put him to death? That absolutely was a possibility because God has never and will never take away a persons freedom of choice.

The flood is a questionable one I suppose, but when you factor in that every culture in humanity has a legend about a global flood it makes it far less improbable. Why would such a story span across cultures that were even separated by the oceans? Even the religions of old were built around the flood, the tradition of the easter egg comes from the Egyption story that a Goddess was preserved in an egg upon the sea, the traditions involving halloween are tied to the celebrated remembrance of the people who the flood destroyed. The fact that even the ancient pagan cultures held within them the FACT of the flood (in their minds), though from a different opinion of it being a vile evil thing, gives credence to the flood itself.

The fall of Jerusalem by Rome was foretold, and only those who listened to Christ's direction to, "Flee to the mountains" survived.

Finally, just as a general point of support for the authenticity of Jesus. Josephus was alive, and saw him in action. I know the watchtower has said this, but I've read Josephus and researched this for myself. He did in fact speak of Jesus and his brother James, the fact that he was called the Christ and the facts of how he was viewed by the men we see in the Bible as hating him. He gives credence to these things because he saw them, he also wrote of, "startling deeds" jesus was able to perform, though that passage is of course a point of contention as to whether ot not it's authentic. Regardless of that last bit, he wrote of a man who did indeed live. And his very life is a prophesided existance - his being born being something he has no control over accomplishing anymore than his bloodline through which he came (also prophesied).

Further, Daniel had his vision in which he saw the beasts which the angel then identified for him as certain world powers by name - this all came true, even down to the fine details of Alexander dying early and his kingdom being split in four.

There are numerous Bible prophecies that came true.

Havign said all that I would also say that the point of the Bible was always and has always been to teach us how to live together in peace and unity. Love was the whole point of the law and the prophets, love was the example Jesus left to follow all the while chastising the desciples for their arguing about, "who is the best among them." Yet, we all still argue about who is the best, be it the best religion, the best intelligence, the best knowledge, etc. Whether prophecy came true or not isn't the point of the writtings, and the point is entirely lost in it's debate.

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Imagine an ebola pandemic where the only effective treatment is blood

by Mickey mouse in

give it a few months, perhaps all jws will have to make hard decisions about blood based treatments.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29084254.

the blood of patients who recover from ebola should be used to treat others, the world health organization has announced.. west africa is facing the largest ebola outbreak in history and more than 2,000 people have died.. a global group of experts have been meeting to assess the experimental therapies that could contain ebola.. the who also announced that ebola vaccines could be used on the frontline by november.. blood medicine.

people produce antibodies in the blood in an attempt to fight off an ebola infection.. in theory, those antibodies can be transferred from a survivor into a sick patient to give their immune system a boost.. however, large scale data on the effectiveness of the therapy is lacking.. studies on the 1995 outbreak of ebola in democratic republic of congo showed seven out of eight people survived after being given the therapy.. dr marie paule kieny, an assistant director general at who said: "we agreed that whole blood therapies may be used to treat ebola virus and all efforts must be invested to help infected countries to use them.. "there is a real opportunity that a blood-derived product can be used now and this can be very effective in terms of treating patients.".

Moses Joe

Let's be real, in the event they are using blood transfusions to try to stop the spread of a pandemic - you're getting a transfusion. It wont be a question of how you feel about it, they won't care about your religious beliefs - you'll be sedated if you fight back and forcibly transfused before the world is allowed to burn all because of your religous convictions. Fact.

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wh.gov logo

by DavidG in

i have a question about the whitehouse web logo.

i've only seen it on witehouse webvideos out of the wh.org website.

it looks very much like a logo we all know.. a picture of mr. obama with the logo in the upper right corner taken drom a webvideo out of wh.org:.

Moses Joe

this is very creepy. Anyone remember that pic of Obama carrying a bible teach book? lol they've become the government and will DF ISIS.

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A year ago today was my last meeting.

by quellycatface in

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friends

it was a sunday.

the shittiest public talk delivered by the most inarticulate and boring man.

as for the watchtower, there was something in it that repulsed me so badly, it made me question everything.

Moses Joe

July 15, 2013 issue, article "Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?"

I remember this issue because it was one of the many nails in the coffin for my trust in them. In this magazine they claim that there was no faithful and Discreet slave around after Christs death and that the Governing Body of JW is that slave, alone, just that group. They effectively raise themselves above the Apostles of Christ.

It's so self serving and presumptuous. If I remember correctly they even go so far as to say that they were appointed over the domestics as it says in Matthew. But what it says in Matthew is that THE MASTER WILL APPOINT THEM. I'm sorry, but if that had happened, they'd have much better credentials than just their own word. Much needed credentials in fact, when all the not-so-well hidden facts say that they are neither faithful, nor discreet.

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The New World Translation

by Coded Logic in

one of the jws foundational doctrines is their belief in the inerrancy of the bible.

there are several methods they use to try and support this position including their claim that the bible, as it exists today, is the exact same bible that has been around for thousands of years.

they teach that gods word has been perfectly preserved.

Moses Joe

I've always believed in God and I always will, but I've also always thought that the trustworthyness of the bible is questionable. If Christendom is wrong, then why trust the bible they put together? If the devil can have gods name erased and lost, then why cant the entire bible be affected?

So many things lend to it being largely faulted, yet it still exists and has not been completely destroyed. That much to me seems of interest, and at least part if not most of it must still be original.

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Lying about Shunning! jw.org conceals the "truth"

by Skinnedsheep in

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http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/shunning/ .

"those who were baptized as jehovahs witnesses but no longer preach to others, perhaps even drifting away from association with fellow believers, are not shunned.

in fact, we reach out to them and try to rekindle their spiritual interest.".

Moses Joe

Technical the quote in the OP isn't a lie. It says that they don't shun people who quit going out in the field ministry (true) and that they don't shun people who drift away (also true). It says nothing like, "people who are disfellowshipped are not shunned."

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Trailer for the "Awake to Reality" movie "coming out soon"

by cha ching in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnhq2vge7ym.

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very professionaly done!.

Moses Joe

Where is this going to play? Will it actually get publicity?

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JW GB MEMBER CAUGHT ON CAMERA!!!

by ADJUSTMENTS in

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gb member and so called "annointed" person geoffry jackson is caught red handed on video doing some worldly dancing and sexual gyrating (they have spoken against such manner of dancing on several occasions) with a woman who is not his wife!!!

i can only imagine what they do off camera now!!!.

i would not have even considerd doing such a thing on the dance floor with a woman, especially if it was not my wife, and i'm not even one of the so called "annointed" smh!!!

Moses Joe

They sure seem to frown on that sort of behavior in the journals. Any "Shocking" behavior is heavily fround upon and i would think a gb member suddenly getting up to dance with a woman who isn't his wife is pretty shocking.

but then again they can, accurately i might add, always turn to the example of Peter shying away from gentiles and say even they get caught up in the moment.

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Do You Think The Islamic State Will Launch An Attack On US Soil In The Near Future?

by minimus in

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i think so.

they rejoice over celebrating the 9/11 attacks..

Moses Joe

No, and I do not think they'll ever have the opportunity to do so. If they could they would have already, but before they ever get to the point where they have the necessesary means to reach the United States they will likely all be wiped out BY the US and Britain. Even if they ever managed to get anything here, it'd only be my raking together all the funds they can for a one shot attack that would likely kill many, but would just be the equivelant of punching the biggest guy at the bar - it'll hurt him, but now you've got his attention.

I'd be far mor concerned about Britain, the chances are that the means they plan to reach the west is through the people they already have who are British Nationals.